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  One month researching my doubts: my crucial issues with WTBTS - what are yours?

  by Tornintwo in

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  so after 20 years a convert, about a month ago i decided to start listening to my doubts and to do independent research about the wtbts teachings (naughty me).

  as a result i have consolidated my position on various points and these are my major issues with the wtbts teachings, i am posting these to help myself figure things out (with your assistance) and hopefully to hear from others at their stage of drawing away from the gb - newbies' especially.

  in the form of notes so hope you dont mind...child abuse.

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  Good thread T.I.T. subscribed, agree on most points. But I still wouldn't get a blood transfusion nor celebrate holidays, they are just so commercial and steeped in paganism. Birthdays I'm on the fence, if I had a family maybe but being single lots of these issues are made easier for me to avoid. My heart goes out to those raising a family and having to deal with all these issues, must be hard. I wouldn't want to have to teach the WT version of truth to my kids if I had any. Stick with the Bible plain and simple.

  This is great I always felt the same and could just tell when a zealous JW elder knew it :

  "What's great is that I will now allow myself to do the research, I've broken free of those mental controls and I hope many more will do that too, how foolish we were to allow men to decide for us what we should and shouldn't think "

  I keep such one at arms length now.
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  Would you like to live for ever on earth?

  by fulano in

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  i was discussing this topic with two friends of mine, ex jws, a few nights ago.

  i think it would be boring after a while.

  you can't smoke, have to drink with moderation (difficult in europe with all the wines).

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  I would, see may parents and family again, plus so many things I want to do. Want to build some water wheel powered mills and machine all the parts, windsurf and mountain bike all over and get bigger than Arnold could ever dream of ! Learn how to play piano, have a bunch of animals and sheeps or goats to keep the grass short. I was born to WORK ! Rock and Roll !
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  The real issue is long term solvency.

  by joe134cd in

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  ok every one raves on at how miserable and tight wt is, while they are literally swimming in money and assets.

  although this may be true this isn't the real issue or the problem to begin with.

  the problem is having a long term survivable business plan.

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  I get the impression they thought the end would come sooner and now they are just scrambling to keep up with changing demographics and a more secular tech society. That and visions of grandeur from their GB are not helping.
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  Just watched Truth be Told

  by Introvert 2 in

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  just watched truth be told, bought their fb promo deluxe version today !

  am enjoying it and will share it with a friend soon.. one thing i've noticed is that of all the ones interviewed were born in and were active before the internet age.. i would think their situation would of been different today.

  my experience having come in on my own as an adult 15 years ago was somewhat different, but made worst thanks to my own ocd and perfectionism.

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  Hi all,

  Just watched Truth be Told, bought their FB promo deluxe version today ! Am enjoying it and will share it with a friend soon.

  One thing I've noticed is that of all the ones interviewed were born in and were active before the internet age.

  I would think their situation would of been different today. My experience having come in on my own as an adult 15 years ago was somewhat different, but made worst thanks to my own OCD and perfectionism. That and meeting up with and studying with a Super Anointed Narrow Minded Position Seeking Pioneer Elder. My problem is I wanted to do it all : sports, workaholic lifestyle and yes man Christian obligations.

  I've toned it way down since and will just do what I can from now on if and when I become active again, my health and peace of mind will come first. That and third party Berean style studying.

  As for the movie well done, great soundtrack and some very good arguments. I like the point of view that 'the truth' it's too much work for kids and only adults should be able to gather the facts and make up his or her own mind, no coercion or peer pressure involved. I found it to be mostly balanced and can't think of anything objectionable off hand about it.

  What was depressing was the level of control some of the interviewed persons were subjected to.

  Hope this helps.
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  Carefully Examine the Scriptures like the Beroean

  by FusionTheism in

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  these quotes might come in handy for some of you in certain situations:.

  bearing witness (acts) book, pages 137-138:.

  16 though the beroeans were hearing something new, they were not suspicious or harshly critical; neither were they gullible.

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  Good thread Fusion thanks !
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  How Some Climb Up So Quickly?!!

  by Sofia Lose in

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  our current co has not been in the org all that long, less than 10 years, and already quite a respected overseer.

  i know of a few married couples in the spanish congs that are doing everything right, you know, with the theocratic schooling, the pioneering, etc., and... nothing!.

  how do some seem to reach certain posts so damn quick, while others cannot make it?!

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  It seems it's always about appearances isn't it ? I picked up on that right away when I came in hehe..
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  How Much Do Circuit Overseers Make Under the Table, and is it Taxable?

  by Tazemanian-devil in

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  i was thinking about green handshakes, and i knew my wife and i personally would try to slide at least $100 each c.o visit to the c.o.

  if we were low on cash, we'd never hand him less than $20.

  how many of such handshakes does he receive in a weeks time?

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  Good thread, heard about this stuff before. I would donate an average amount regularly every month for hall upkeep / rent whatever and then a smaller portion for the world wide work and the societies kingdom hall fund. That and an average donation at each assembly. That's it and I was / am comfortable with that set-up as it would amply cover my portion of books / mag / Bibles. I'm thrifty and don't need much to be happy so use very little in the way of printed materials. I don't do any additional donations to CO's / DO's or whatever but did contribute to hall renovations / builds in my area. I prefer helping out a brother or family in need if there is one than giving money to someone in position.
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  Tony Morris talks on YouTube - is there any way to verify that they are his talks?

  by jambon1 in

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  it's been levelled that the talks you can find on youtube are fake and that they are not the words of morris, such as the one below.

  it'd be really helpful to me if there was a way to verify and prove that they are his talks.. cab anyone help?.

  http://youtu.be/nr0di9oy_s4.

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  So what is his training anyhow, is he an MD or other ? He mentioned working in sort of a MASH type unit is this correct ? The 3rd ( III ) thing is over the top, that is anything but humble IMHO
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  Is it possible to use this thread to compile watchtowers Armageddon illustrations

  by jambon1 in

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  i was informed today by a jw that the watchtower doesn't use images and propaganda to instil fear.

  i would really like to see a compilation of all their armageddon illustrations.

  maybe a thread or web page already exists that had this content.. the one i am really wanting is the most recent picture of the witnesses in the basement during the tribulation.. this will be a massive help so thank you..

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  I have the 'basement' issue at home.
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  Lett's pinky ring is back

  by Daniel1555 in

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  if you thought that stephen lett came to realize finally, that wearing a pinky ring doesn't seem modest, you are wrong.. in the introduction video to the video "what is true love?

  " of the convention releases day 3, he is as lunatic as ever and wearing his pinky ring again.. thank you, governing body.

  let "lett" talk in front of the worldwide convention audience and in your broadcasts, and you will wake up more jw's than any other means might do..

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  Maybe he thinks he's an engineer, in Canada they wear iron rings unsure about US customs on this. And yes I know a man that wears a little gold chain on his tie like some of the GB do. It struck me as odd when I first saw it 15 years ago.

  A red flag went up in my mind right away telling me this guy was posturing. When you have a gut feeling that something is off listen to it, I ended up being right.